On this episode, I talked to Feng Shui and Bazi with the expert Feng Shui by Jen stone. I don’t know if you’re like me, but I really haven’t had a great understanding of Feng Shui and we talked about it in this episode. I knew it involves homes and energy and the way we organize homes to optimize energy. But Jen really breaks down for us how she goes into a space and she Feng Shuis ways space and how she uses something called Bazi. To do that with the people who live in the space. I can’t explain it as well as Jen does. But Bazi is basically like a path that we are born on to when we come onto this planet. And she looks at the time that we’re born, our gender, and the place that we were born, at the time that we were born. It’s so fascinating. She explains it so well. As you’ll learn in the episode Jen is a native of Hong Kong and she founded Feng Shui by Jen providing comprehensive Classical Feng Shui consulting services for homes and businesses, which includes individualized Bazi readings and auspicious date selection.

She’s located here in Scottsdale, Arizona and she represents the prestigious Raymond Lo’s School of French Way and destiny. She just Grand Master Raymond Lo’s programs and all of her program certificates are cosigned by the Grand Master Raymond Lo and Jen and endorsed by the International faith right Association. She is a true master. She’s so fucking funny. And as a bonus at the end of the episode, she goes through my Bazi and what it means for me and it’s so interesting. I love it every time I listen to her talk about what she does and how she does it. It makes so much sense and it’s so beautiful. So I hope you guys enjoy this episode.

Make sure you go follow her on Instagram @fengshuibyjen and her website https://fengshuibyjen.com/ you don’t need to just work with her in person. She also works with you virtually. Hope you guys love this episode as much as we loved having the conversation.

REGINA:  So today, we have Feng Shui by Jen Stone on the podcasts.

JEN: Yes, I still remember when we first met, we were set up by Nicole Liden. And I remember I didn’t even want to get up and go pee. Because we were on a flow with our conversation.

REGINA:  We were having the best conversation. It lasted for hours. And it was like, Where have you been all my life? Jen Stone?

JEN: Exactly. Yeah, exactly. It was just like the spark and the chemistry. And I really, really enjoyed getting to know you. It was so much fun. I think when you get older, it gets a little tougher meeting people. It’s not like you’re forced in a school setting. I think as you get older, you have your own sort of sets of values and things that you look for and once in a while you get lucky enough to meet someone. And you’re like, oh, you’re a keeper?

REGINA: Absolutely. I know. One of the things that really connected us amongst many is that you and I are both kind of crazy corporate dropouts that have gone in a completely different direction in our lives.

JEN: I think when people meet us, I always correlate the first part of my life and then the current part of my life. They’re like, wait, what, what did you do? Really? How did you go from that to this one?

REGINA: Yeah, I know, people say the same thing. To me. They’re like, “You were a lawyer? What?”

JEN: And I was telling you earlier how actually, I attribute that first part of my life to a lot of the skills that I’ve obtained a lot of the experiences that I feel is necessary as an entrepreneur that really helped develop my business savviness, negotiation skills, and maybe the grit that comes with it. When people say, “No, you’re like, wait a minute, no, what do you mean? No.”

REGINA: I know you feel the same way. It was all a necessary part of the journey. We wouldn’t be here in the things we’re doing now. If we didn’t do that first part of life the way we did. So you started your corporate career as a forensic auditor?

JEN: Yeah, so I graduated, I went to college, majoring in accounting, graduated at 20. I actually could have graduated at 19. But I decided I needed to take a year off so I got my CPA license, I started in Illinois, and I worked for one of the big four accounting firms, I worked for two of them. I worked for Price Waterhouse Coopers and Deloitte and Touché, I ended my career with Price Waterhouse Coopers. And so for those that don’t really realize what auditing is, I think you have some ideas, you think of IRS auditors, but there’s like a whole different layer to being an auditor for white collar crimes. I actually wanted to be an FBI agent, but I was too young. So I was like, okay, life comes full circle, and work my way up in this super male dominant, super cutthroat, highly competitive environment, where you really didn’t know who had your back and look at me, I’m a chick. I’m a minority. I’m an immigrant. But I was really good at what I did. I was fearless. And I knew exactly what I wanted to get done, my mission and worked my way up very quickly. And did that for 12 years. I worked in different industries like casinos and manufacturing and all kinds of stuff. It’s wild.

REGINA: Why did you make the decision to leave a job and a career that you had been in and worked so hard at?

JEN: You know, there was a lot of, self-reflection and what I call the “Come to Jesus moment” when you are sort of at this crossroad, because when I grew up my parents were very conservative. They were all about education, and job security. They had a lot of fear around money. This constant idea of lack, there isn’t enough. We have to kind of serve and so a lot of that was passed down to me in terms of, I have to have a paycheck. You know, that’s the only way to live. And that’s the only way to survive. But I would say was around year 10. When I had that “Come to Jesus moment,” I was walking in the middle of a casino floor at 8:30 in the morning, ready to audit this casino, and I’m wearing a backpack. And there’s this really old person, you know, looked at me and said, “Shouldn’t you be in school?” And I realized, you know, I was so fucking sick and tired of people misunderstanding my intentions. They’re not always happy to see me, they lied to me, especially when there are crimes, actual crimes involved. And it was just a very dark, kind of depressing career and I just realized to myself, there has to be something else. There has to be some other job that I can do, where I can leverage my skills and my passion. And so my story is a real cliche.

A really, really good friend of mine gave me a book on Feng Shui. And I was born in Hong Kong. So I was very familiar with the traditions of Feng Shui, and, and all that stuff. And so that sparked my interest. And one thing led to another, it took me two years before I actually walked away from my corporate career. I remembered I told one of the vice presidents in my company, what I was doing, and he just looked me straight on and said, “That is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.” I said, “Yeah.” he said, “I heard you put you in your notice.”, I said, “Yeah.”, “What are you gonna do?”, “I’m gonna start a business.” , “What are you starting?”, “I’m gonna do Feng Shui.” , “That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.” And I thought, well, fuck you, then.

So 10 years later, fast forward. I have a thriving consulting business, I actually hold the accredited function and master title, which is the first and only one here in North America. So I think it was such a blessing to have my previous chapter as a way to jumpstart my life’s passion. Without that I wouldn’t have the right mindset to do what I’m doing today. But I think at the end of the day, I always said being an entrepreneur is like school every day, because you are not behind somebody else’s logo, somebody else’s mission, everything that you do is set forth by you. I commend people that decide to do that it’s not freaking easy or saying no to a lot of things. The universe will test your conviction once you’ve made that decision. I mean, when I knew I was leaving, I got offered a promotion to basically run a whole entire department for a lot of money. And I was like, I know universe, what you’re doing to me, but no thanks.

REGINA: When you gave notice to leave to start your business. Had you started? Had you started your Feng Shui business at that point on the side?

JEN: Yeah, I started taking some classes and just registered my company was kind of dabbling. But you know what, there’s nothing that puts everything on the line from an energetics perspective and your whole mindset, when you just have nothing else holding you back. And so even though I had something going and something started, it really wasn’t until everything was on the line, because I didn’t have another paycheck coming in. And so my focus and my intention behind that really flourished I would say, after I left my corporate job.

REGINA: It was the same thing for me. I wanted to leave at the perfect time. And wanted to have a certain amount of money saved. I had this perfect Virgo plan in my brain. It didn’t happen. And you know, what, if I had waited for the perfect time, it never would have happened?

JEN: Never. Never. I was like, You know what, I got some money saved. I got my 401k did I draw somebody out of 401? Absolutely. You know because they’re starting a business. First of all we know is not easy. Even though we are blessed in this country that we can do whatever the hell we want to do, right? But starting a business that people don’t freakin understand. That’s even harder. And that takes a lot of time. And it requires all of you.

When you’re talking about self-care and attending to relationships, it’s almost like you need to have this agreement to say, I really need to devote and dedicate and commit, at least for the next six, eight months, twelve months of what I need to do to really properly jumpstart my business.

REGINA: It’s so true. I’m in I’m going into year, really proper year two of my business and I still feel like that, I feel like I need to cut more things out of my life and devote more time to just sitting my ass in a chair. And there’s so many things that are undone every day.

JEN: I mean, just the learning curve of realizing you have so many hats to wear. And I think people like yourself, Regina, what you can offer as a resource to people is absolutely valuable. It’s 100% valuable. I mean, when I started it, Built my own website. I have no branding. I actually started my business, grassroot style. I didn’t have SEO, I didn’t have all that fancy shit. You know, I mean, you look at my website right now. And I could just barf, because it’s so dated. But it was what I really focused on was the substance of my business, I want to be the best consultant, and I wanted to have the best reputation. But that takes time.

When we talk about energy, money is energy, it comes and goes. But reputation is long lasting. And that takes a little bit of time to build. And so it is very scary, I definitely wouldn’t diminish, you know, how much work it requires.

REGINA: Oh, my gosh, I think about the bursts of work. Like there’s certain times where I’m like, the next two months, I’m doing x in my business. And I like I had a two-month period of time where I said every day for the next two months, when I first moved here, I am meeting a new human being and connecting with a new person. I did that for two months, straight five to seven days a week. That’s a lot of time and energy and commitment. I think about it, I’m like, Wow, I can’t believe that, post COVID I’d met so many people.

JEN: Well, and sometimes you are required to do a lot of things that isn’t an exact one for one return on investment. I think that’s the misconception of being an entrepreneur that people don’t really realize, is if I put this marketing plan or if I have lunch with this person, then I should get $1,000 back. But there isn’t a straight formula when it comes to this. Because I think with you, knowing who you are Regina is you’re very focused, you’re very determined as a result of just who you are as a person, but also where you came from your discipline, and your commitment to that. But that only comes if you don’t have anything else distracting you.

REGINA: Exactly. And I also think like you said, it’s not a one for one, the time you spend with people doesn’t necessarily equal dollars. But I think it’s like, save the energetic bank account, right? Like, the more consistently we do those things. We’re saying to the universe, I’m opening these channels of connection, of communication like this is the space where the abundance can actually flow. I’m laying the groundwork; we just don’t see it immediately.

JEN: Yeah. Well, and also another thing is, I think we talk a lot about, you know, being authentic, and how do we really present ourselves as business owners and, you know, if we don’t like to do certain things, we should just stay away from it. But I think when you’re starting out, you don’t even know what you don’t like, and you don’t even know what you’re capable of. And so there’s that kind of schooling period, where you just have to throw yourself in a fire. And you’re like, you know what, I really fucking hate doing website. I’m going to hire somebody. Yeah. But it’s because you’ve already experienced it to know that that is your pain point or your weak point or an area you don’t even want to devote on. And so as an entrepreneur, especially when I think back, oh my gosh, like, you know, 10 plus years ago, it was like I didn’t go to business school. Like, oh, trial and error. You’re like, oh, that didn’t work. Oh, that worked. And you know, maybe it’d work now. But three years later, it doesn’t work.

REGINA: I also think from going through trial by error in our businesses and learning what is my zone of excellence and what I am not good at does not bring me joy energetically depletes me. It puts us in a position so that when we hire people, we have some sense of what it takes until we know how to hire the right people.

JEN: 1,000% You’re absolutely right I like I know. Even though I am a CPA, I have nothing to do with taxes. Like even when I was a CPA and people were like, “Oh, my taxes.” I’m like, “Huh, like what are you talking about?” I only took one class taxes in college and that was it. I had zero tax practice. So I realized, you know what, I don’t like to do my taxes. I don’t like to do my bookkeeping, so I hire people for that.

REGINA: I don’t write my own contracts. I wasn’t a contract attorney. I don’t know how to write proper contracts. I won’t do I will hire an attorney to do it or I can buy a form and I can go through it and modify it but like, I’m kind of winging it, you know.

JEN: Thanks for saying that.

REGINA: That just like, No way. But it’s funny because I’m a business coach. People assume that like I can review their contracts. I’m like, I was a civil rights attorney and then I was a white-collar fraud litigator, you need me to go to court for you and argue a speeding ticket. I’d actually be better at that, than reviewing your contracts.

JEN: I love that girl. Love it.

REGINA: It’s so funny. So your business started as Fung Shui. That was the first thing that you got into? Explain to the listeners what Fung Shui is because before I met you, I just knew of Fung Shui as the way I would organize a space for energy to flow in a certain way. That’s how I understood it.

JEN: Yes, you’re actually 80% correct. Okay, good job, Regina. Yes, there’s a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings around Fung Shui. You know, there’s different styles of Feng Shui only practice the classical Chinese tradition approach, not the Americanized version, which is probably what most people think of Fung Shui, because that’s very pervasive in the West. But Feng Shui is just a tool that helps us to understand the energetics of our environment. And so the way that I kind of bring that idea home is similar to when you look at yourself, for example, and you look at yourself through your birthday, right, so you’re born and you have your own energy map, you have your own natal chart that outlines your strengths, your weaknesses, your quirks, and also your cycles. When you feel good when you don’t feel good when you’re in the flow when you’re out of flow. Well, houses or your spaces, also have birth charts. So my job is to basically come in and put together the birth chart of the property. And exactly do that to pinpoint the areas of strengths and areas of potential weaknesses. And then we bring in different elements, whether the elements are through colors, or objects and things of that nature, to optimize the flow of energy. So that’s the easiest definition I have of a very complicated practice. I hope that makes sense.

REGINA: No, that makes perfect sense. So when somebody hires you to come into their home or their space, how do you go in and evaluate a space? Like, is there a certain process that you go through?

JEN: Yeah, actually, you know, it’s a lot like… we call ourselves like space doctors. So just like you go to your doctor to get bloodwork to understand the state of your health, and the doctor would come in and diagnose you based on the results and make proper recommendations. So the way I would do that is I always actually start with Bazi. And Bazi is a form of Chinese astrology, it’s not quite an astrology, but we just say astrology because it’s through your birthday. Because this is the tool that helps me understand who are the people living in this house. So you can have a family of people, mom, dad, two kids from their Bazi chart or their birth chart, I’m able to pinpoint to say, you know what, the second kid needs a little bit of help. Or maybe based on their birth chart, the couple, maybe the married couple has some issues that they need to work on or to bring to light. And so that’s the first part. And then I usually come in, of course, in COVID days, a lot of remote consultations and have clients outside of Arizona. But basically, I would need to put the birth chart of the house and the way we put the birth chart of the house is based on the year that the house was constructed just like you have a year that when you were born, and then I take the compass measurement of the house. So we take directional energy into consideration is very complicated. But once we have those two inputs together, then I can devise the birth chart, and then I superimpose that onto the floor plan of that particular property. So I do need a floor plan. And then it will tell me the distribution of the energy in that in that space. So I can see what is the energy in the bedroom, what’s the energy in the main door. And I usually go through that process for about two hours with the client and give them a preliminary verbal feedback. It helps for me to be there on site to see the environment or through FaceTime. And then they get a report basically outlining everything that I’ve observed and the recommendations, so this is like the corporate me coming in with the formal report. And then I do post consultation support as they’re making the adjustments in their home, and then I do a follow up update to see to check in what’s changed what’s shifted for them.

REGINA: So when you said that you do the Bazi chart for each person in the house, you do the house, you do the chart for the entire house?

JEN: Yes.

REGINA: And then say, you run a chart for a child. Does that chart, the Bazi chart for the child have an impact on the child’s bedroom?

JEN: Absolutely. Because in the simplest way, the very logical way I want the listeners to think about is, just think about where you sleep. Let’s say you’re married, okay? You have a husband and a wife, and they’re sleeping in the same room on the same bed. There is one fixed energy in that space. Okay. But how do you explain that the husband is snoring away, you know, sleeping away, and the wife is full of anxiety, she’s having nightmares, and she thinks there are ghosts. So it’s because us humans, we are actually energy beings. We’re made up of different components of elements or energy. So the way that we would respond and react to the energy of our spaces, is also going to be unique. So if I know from the child’s Bazi, but you know what, maybe this year, there’s some sensitivity for the kid, maybe? How does it impact the child? Maybe it’s health, or maybe her studies concentration, then it allows me to prioritize the evaluation of the function where the house is. Where does the daughter sleep? Where she’s spending her time studying, then allows me to zoom in to say, “Okay, is this space actually supporting the child? Or is it actually harming her?” So if it’s harming her, what do we now need to do to make the adjustment in our spaces so that we can minimize the effects and better support her?

REGINA: That’s so interesting, I was wondering the connection between Bazi and Feng Shui Why?

JEN: Yeah. Because there’s a saying that Feng Shui is not to make the house happy. It’s to make the people living inside the house happy. So that’s why you can have a variety of different people living in one house, but they all have different reactions to the space, right? And so that’s how we’re able to use but without Bazi, you’re just diagnosing the house and you’re not really helping the people.

REGINA: How do you rectify when you have a married couple or two people in the same space who are needing very different things in their bedroom?

JEN: Yeah, it’s tough. It happens a lot. And usually, the way that we approach it from a professional standpoint, is we always look at who is the stronger one energetically, because the stronger one energetically can take the brunt. Now remember, in in Chinese metaphysics, we don’t believe that our environment trumps us because we have our own personal destiny, but we also have free will. And our environment are simply just containers, so the Feng Shui can never beat us. So let’s just say you and I are hanging out in the bedroom. And maybe I’m the one that’s really sensitive to this room. So I’m, what I would say is, maybe you would move me out of the room, okay, but then you can stay in the room, because you’re energetically stronger, meaning the impact wouldn’t be like you get sick, you start throwing up or anything like that. Maybe you just have some restless sleep, some vivid dreams, but nothing traumatic, because your personal Bazi shows that you are in a much stronger place.

REGINA: If you had a husband and wife, and let’s say, the wife is energetically stronger than the husband, do you tend to cater parts of the space to the one who’s weaker energetically?

JEN: 1,000%? Yes, we leave well enough alone. And we pay attention to the one that needs the assistance. You know, in China or in different parts of Asia. You know, they have multi-generations that live inside the home. And I’ve done jobs where there are eight people in the house and you do their Fung Shui. I mean, you do their Bazi and then you realize, oh grandpa is you know, not doing well. So where’s grandpa sleeping? Maybe the room is also not so well. But then maybe I checked the grandchild. the grandchild is doing good. Is it possible for you guys to switch rooms? So that’s how it works?

REGINA: Yeah. It’s so interesting. I know that you touched on Bazi, and we’ve been talking about it a little bit. But what exactly is Bazi? And how does it differ from the traditional zodiac signs that people are very used to talking about here?

JEN:  So Bazi is not quite like an astrology reading because we don’t base it on stars or movements of planets. Everything in the Chinese metaphysics realm, whether that’s Chinese medicine or Qigong, face reading, Bazi Fung Shui. The fundamental technique is really based on the five elements. And these five elements are just different names for energy. And so we look at people as like I said, energy being, and the way that Bazi is popularly described, it’s more like a destiny reading. It’s your life path or your blueprint, your destiny blueprint. And the way I often like to describe that is like, you remember the olden days before GPS was around, you pull up a map, and you’re like, what’s the scenic route, which takes longer? What’s the fastest road? Where are the bumps and detours along the way? So each and every one of us actually has this kind of a roadmap. So the more that you become familiar with your own roadmap, you realize, well, the first thing that I realized is a common revelation in most people is the need to compare. Why am I not yet married? Why am I not? You know, why does my son still dilly dally? Why are they not in school? Or, you know, I’m finally coming to the prime when I’m in my 40s, right? It’s because we all have our own timeline. So the way that I describe Bazi is, it’s just the understanding of the timing of events in your life. And these are things like when you fall in love, when it’s the right time to start the business. Right? When you move all of the different events that create our human experience. It kind of just opens up the book, and it allows you to understand and appreciate where you are at all the events that led you to this moment. So if you have a chip on your shoulder, like, “Where’s my mom?” “I didn’t have the best childhood.” shit happens. That’s not like the most sensitive comment, but sometimes, when you take your first breath as a baby, that is your life path, right? So there is this sense of understanding and acceptance, then you can also use it to understand what’s to come. So how do I adjust my beat, my behaviors, and my actions to make use of the time that I’m in now? And how can I better optimize and take advantage? what’s to come?

I get to work with a lot of individuals and companies for a variety of reasons. We can look at this to understand our relationship dynamic with each other, even parent to child spouses, siblings, family dynamic to business partners, and also, we can look at this from a health perspective. So I work a lot with people more common, I would say is fertility for women. How when is a good time to have a baby, that kind of stuff?

REGINA: So when you first are going to run some run someone’s chart and kind of figure out their path, you look at their birthdate and where they were born.

JEN: Yeah. And so I need the whole birthday, year, month, day and time, and place of birth. One other thing that’s extra special about Bazi that I think some other modalities don’t take into consideration is actually gender. We do take gender into consideration at the time of birth, right? So that doesn’t include all the other stuff that happens later in life, but at the time of birth. Because remember, Chinese metaphysics is all about the yin and the yang. So the male and the female.

REGINA: So in Chinese culture, are people very particular about when they are giving birth to their babies, and they’re like, “No, no, no, I don’t want to have a baby at this time. I want to have a baby next week in this other place.”

JEN: You are so good, Regina. Yes, because actually, I was gonna say cesarean birth is very popular in Asian culture, particularly in places like Hong Kong and Shanghai, the more modernized places because they understate inherently culturally understand that there is a huge impact as to the success of your life is based on your birthday. So as parents, you try to do everything that you can to like set up your child to have the best chart right. But you know, it’s really interesting because we do a lot of auspicious date selection for cesarean surgeries. Um, I would say that’s more common, obviously, in the eastern Far East countries than it is here. But sometimes Mother Nature’s got her own deal going on, you know, like, maybe choose a date that’s on a Sunday and they can’t do surgery and maybe the child decides to come out faster. So actually doctors and hospitals charge more. If you go to them and you say you know what?  I really want to have a baby on Tuesday at three o’clock Oh, no, no, no what you’re up there like, you can afford to pay a Feng Shui master to pick a day we’re gonna charge you more.

REGINA: One of my girlfriends does shamanic work. And her partner have been talking about having a baby. And she’s like, oh, no, we can’t have a baby that month. Because if we do, our baby will be a Gemini and we are not having a Gemini baby.

JEN: Oh my gosh, it’s very true. I am. But it’s interesting, because I have Western clients that may not necessarily opt for a cesarean birthday, but they will ask the recent story I have God bless them. Because they’re listening to this, I’m gonna share their story. His wife was literally in labor at the hospital, and he is emailing me as his wife was having like labor going. Amanda is ready to give birth… is today, a good day or tomorrow? And I was like, well, first of all, you never told me the gender of the child because that matters, right? And I had to analyze it both ways. So I’m like, if it’s a boy, it should be today. If it’s a girl, tomorrow’s better. He’s like, I have a feeling it’s a girl. It’s gonna be a girl. So tomorrow, okay, tomorrow. And I was like after 1am like Pacific Standard or Eastern Standard Time, then she can have she can push.

REGINA: It’s so funny. Like that baby. And you can’t push till after midnight. I love that. That makes perfect sense.

JEN: Yes, yes. But you know, sometimes. I’ve had people ask me, what do you do when you look at a baby’s chart, and it’s not like the best? And you just have to believe in other things like Karma, you know, soul contracts, and that kind of stuff. One of the things that Bazi doesn’t really focus so much about past lives and all that stuff. To me Bazi, is so tangible, because it really focuses on this life, in this lifetime, you know, to really focus on making the best out of this life. And I’m the ever optimist, because I’ve worked with clients that have the shittiest fucking luck. But they are just absolutely resilient. And they’ve chosen to be grateful and to live their best life. And then I’ve also worked with people, they’re, you know, they’re in the best luck, but they’re just Debbie downers. So, to me, that’s still the element of mystery with Bazi. It’s people. What people choose to do with that.

REGINA: And I think regardless of like, even if your parents pick the quote, unquote, perfect time, or best time for you to be born, you’re still having a human experience, you still have the free will to choose how to respond to different segments and portions of your life.

JEN: Yes, because you know, the World Health Organization announced that there are over 300,000 babies born every day, now you have to divide that as a rough guesstimate, 60 to 40, because there are more chips born now than boys. So you know, 60% girls, so 60% of that 300,000. You share the same chart; they have the exact same blueprint. But the anomaly with that is where they were born, the circumstances in which they were born into their family, their parents, right? So if you think about Bill Gates, or Michael Jordan, there are 1000s of people, males with the same birth chart, but there’s only one Michael Jordan, right? It’s because every single moment how you choose to make a decision from how do I want to live my life to Who am I going to marry? What career path I’m going to choose? Where do I want to live? Like all of these things factor into the overall human experience. And so while the elements, they don’t discriminate, whether it that doesn’t care if you’re a king or you’re a peasant, it’s going to come at you the same way. But when you line up those people and all sounds so different, they have all different types of experiences, the elements are the same, but their experiences are different because of the choices that they’ve made.

So that Bazi is such a powerful tool, because I’ve seen it empower people, you know, rather than to feel victim to, “oh, this is my family. And this is the shit that happened to me,” when you really can embrace and say, “okay, it may be a wild ride for the next year, or the next two years, but there’s still things that I can consciously do today to have some control over my own destiny.”

REGINA: Totally. When you and I met you hold my Bazi chart, and we talked about it. And it’s so interesting to hear it like it’s so the thing I love about Bazi is it feels so scientific to me because this is what it is. There’s no interpretation of the stars. It’s not like, random download that they’ve gotten from a divine entity. It is what it is. I also thought it was so interesting because I know how I’ve gone through my life and the hardships of my life. And my mentality has been, this is my life. And so how can I live the best life through these really hard times? And it was interesting to hear about my Bazi chart for you because it lines up so perfectly with my life.

JEN: Yeah, yeah. thank you for bringing that up. I mean, obviously, I’m not a psychic. I think some of us in some way or shape is intuitive, or we have foresight and some good instincts. And I think that’s why it’s really important to share my previous background coming from a really black and white environment to suddenly doing this type of work. It really is about solving puzzles. That’s the joy of what I do. Solving puzzles. So when I look at the person’s birth chart is I’m looking at the puzzle and saying, okay, how do we make the pieces work and what other types of things can I push you or help you shed light on? I love your chart. Makes me laugh. Can I just say something to do you know this newscaster lawyer? Her name is Emily Campano I believe you know, she oh my gosh, please look her up. And for listeners look her up. You look at her and then I want you to just put Regina’s face.

JEN: Look her up. When I pulled up Regina’s chart, Regina was born in the year of the tiger. But in Bazi we don’t focus on the year zodiac sign. So like if you’re like, oh, Jen, I’m a monkey. I’m a pig like, what’s up? I’d be like, Oh, good for you. We focus on the day that you were born. We need the whole birth chart birth input in order to come up with that. So Regina was born on a Yang metal day. She is a metal person, like a giant steel warrior. The law, Justice altruism, fairness, the advocate for the little guy. A lot of Yang metal people are like the Margaret Thatchers, The Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Martin Luther King, Mike Pence. These are all Yang metal. They’re fiercely loyal. They can be commanding a lot of famous Chinese general in history were Yang metal men. So they often are really great in a leadership type of position. So they can be quite authority, authoritative and commanding and bossy. But that’s why they are better as leaders, but also beautiful women are Yang metal J. Lo. And what’s her name is Darla Johansen is also Yang metal. So anyway, Regina’s chart has a lot of what we call extreme power, you were born with this kind of configuration, and based on the profiles that we have done. So I personally have done over 10,000 individual charts of normal people. But then on my research database, I also have 10,000 of politicians, celebrities, public figures. So based on our research, a lot of people who are born into this world have a lot of extreme power, we often correlate that with Kung Fu, okay with Chinese. So this is like the Bruce Lee where he is sheer power and strength. And that’s genuine. But also a lot of people that tend to be law enforcement, they go into law enforcement, or they become politicians, they run for office, they run for higher office, that kind of stuff. So when you see people that want to be soldiers, or they want to go to law, like Regina, it’s because that’s their destiny kind of led you to that part. Now, even though you’re not a practicing attorney now, you still hold that image of extreme power. So even when you’re running your businesses, business coach, you’re actually like, the kung fu of that particular industry. So people who have extreme power are not fragile flour. They are tough cookies. They can sometimes appear intimidating even though you’re like what’s up I’m nice. Like, Don’t be afraid of me. Why are you stuttering? Maybe that happens around boys, Regina.

REGINA: Yes, it does.

JEN: Yeah. So that’s, that’s the the aura, the essence of how you show so I think with Regina we talked a little bit about moving into a space of softness, you know and kind of embracing a little bit of going inward and really taking better care of our heart, because if you think about it’s just giant piece of steel, Grandmaster Lo always said, the steel needs fire to melt the steel. So it’s almost the fire is the heart. That’s our vulnerability. That’s our femininity. That’s our willingness to just be raw. Right? And I think that just from chatting with you, you’re in the process of discovering all of those things. Another thing about Regina’s chart, which is so interesting, is she was born on the day of the dog. Okay, so you are Yang metal dog. Two things about this. Number one, she is incredibly intuitive, meaning her intuition is real, this is genuine. So we’ve, like rewind it to 4000 years ago, when this was first invented, Regina is profession today would be a psychic like you would be a fortune teller. Okay. But of course, today, we have many options. But you’re essentially using your intuition in whatever it is that you’re doing. So that’s why we find athletes and entrepreneurs that have intuition. They’re using their intuition in whatever field that they’re doing. So trusting your gut, trusting your instinct, being able to reconcile the mind and the gut, okay, it always comes back to that source. That’s not like a Western woo woo way of saying this is real. And before we started recording, we talked about your stomach, because that’s the sensitivity of your intuition right there. You can’t see ghosts, Regina, because you have a lot of fire, but you can feel things, you can sense things. They don’t necessarily reveal themselves to you. But they can. Like if let’s say, you see something, you have the configuration in Chinese what we call Fei Kung, which means you are genuinely the Grandmaster of Kung Fu. And my teacher says, people who are Fei Kung, can tell the ghosts to go away. So you can even be an exorcist. Like, you can tell the fucking ghosts Get the fuck out of here. I don’t want to see you. So when you think about this, from a spiritual sense, and also from a soul, right from your soul, and also from your physical, you’re a powerhouse, you are incredibly a force to be reckoned with. And I think that there also comes this interesting dynamic of protection of allowing others to protect you. Because even though you go out to the world, you’re very resourceful. You know, you’re all-encompassing, you’re very intellectual, very intelligent. There’s something about your Bazi, that I think when the right moment or the right phase in your life comes. That’s when you will really soften to sort of not be on guard so much, because you are. You’re always on.  

REGINA:  The thing that I love about Bazi is that we often have things in our life that we experience, and we move through life. And we think maybe that’s not real, or maybe that’s a negative thing about me. And so whenever you and I have talked about this, like, for example, I have had stomach problems my entire life. And I’ve had to do a lot of work around my nutrition and my stress and my anxiety because if not, it destroys my stomach. As I am getting older, and I’m really tapping into the gifts that I have, I have the ability to hear things, I don’t really see anything. That’s not my gift I can hear, and I get audio downloads of information, right? I have been very strong my whole life. But I am now in the phase of really embracing my feminine, and learning how to be vulnerable, even though vulnerability is so unbelievably painful. I just said to a guy the other day, I was on a date with this guy, and we were talking about my personality. And I said I seem really vulnerable. It’s not real. Okay, I said, I could literally sit on the stage and talk about my trauma, or literally be naked and point and talk about my clitoris to people more than I could tell somebody that I am in love with them and how I feel about them. Because that is vulnerability. And that’s the journey I’m on right now in my life is being vulnerable. So I love it because everything that you’re saying matches up with what I have been going through on my journey through life and it just affirms Yes, that is right. What you were feeling and thinking and experiencing is real.

REGINA: And what the interesting thing though is, this is something, the stomach, stomach health, from a physical sense to the essence of vulnerability, which is fire. These are the things that you will embark on for the rest of your life. And I think that a lot of people maybe don’t realize that the things that we work on, we know, it’s not going to happen overnight, but at the same time, do we ever fully come full circle, this is the lesson in your life. And you will come in and out of that. And I think when you have that realization, you’re less hard on yourself, where you’re like, with flux wrong with you, like you already worked on that for five years, like how did you relapse and like you went, but you harden yourself back up it because that’s your default. And so that requires your human will, which comes with your consciousness, to come to full awareness to say, these are the lessons that have been put forth in this journey of my life, then I need to constantly work on that. And I think when a lot of people hear that about their own, whether that’s they have to work on their anger, you know, or they have to work on like just opening their mind or feeling more confident. It allows them to breathe some space into it to be like, Okay, I’m not a loser. Do you know what I mean? And so for you, the stomach health, this is a lifelong thing. You know, if it wasn’t like your digestive something, it will be your blood sugar, something, or it will be your spleen, you know what I mean? Or would be like your cells, it’s always like something because none of us are immune to anything. But also all of us, we came here, we’re all out of balance, we all need something. And so there will be moments in life where we feel at peace, where we feel that brief moment of harmony, but it doesn’t last, because we don’t live in utopia. You know life is not static. And so I think that’s what’s the beauty of understanding the cycles of life. And to be like, it’s okay, I fell out of balance. It’s just where I need to be right now. So if I know that I’m falling out of balance, and I have a tendency for addiction, or tendency to be self-critical of myself, then what do I need to have in place to make sure I have the tools, the rituals, and the support system to make that journey less painful? You know, and I always correlate that with, if you know, you’re going into that yucky, dark tunnel, there’s no way around it. There’s no shortcut. Okay, there’s no amount of like magic that can allow you to overpass that. So you’re like, Okay, I’m ready. But what do I need? I need better boats, maybe I need some snacks. I need a flashlight, you know, those are the things and so, you know, I think tying that back to Fung Shui is just because you function in your house doesn’t mean it’s like that forever. You know, just because you function at your house, or you took care of your stomach or you took care of that vulnerability. You will have moments when you feel a little bit more at peace and at ease with the comfort of feeling vulnerable. But then, you know, six months later, you’re like, Oh, my gosh, like I could just bomb it right now.

And one more thing about your chart, Regina was born with an academic star, academic sir Albert Einstein has academic star and academics or has to be something you’re born with. It’s not necessarily talking about being book smart. Although it can, I have a lot of clients that like go on to higher education, like get their Ph.D. But a lot of entrepreneurs and writers and innovators have an academic star because this is talking about your intellectual mind, in terms of your voracious need for knowledge. So you make a great teacher and teacher can mean a coach or a consultant or an advisor, but also you yourself. That’s how you also look at relationships. The friends that you keep in your inner circle, it’s not just “Ooh, girlfriend brunch, it’s doing to my mind. What are you feeding me right now? So that’s the same in your intimate relationships. It’s beyond just the physical, but it’s also Are you really keeping my brain stimulated?” So that’s why I think this is such your chart is so interesting to me because you have both the mind and the gut.

REGINA: It’s interesting. It’s an interesting way to live in a body and the mind that I have, and the intuition I have and how they are both, always trying to coexist with one another.

JEN:  And it’s not about shutting one or the other. It’s actually the dualities of that, you know, it’s like you’re the neurosurgeon, neurosurgeon, very black and white, and you have the technical training for it, but you also write music. That’s who you are.

REGINA: So interesting because my whole life I’ve always said, you know, they’ll say, you’re more right-brained or you’re more left-brained. But I have always been the kid who was a classically trained pianist and studied art. And then was a philosophy and literature major and very analytical went to law school. So I’ve always had the two sides constantly.

JEN: Yeah, it shows. That’s why it’s not so much about suppressing one or the other or nurturing one or the other. It actually is both. And this is your essence. This isn’t something that you pick up at 30 years old, or like at 50 where you’re like, Oh my gosh, I have finally had to figure it out. No, this is a part of you at the moment of birth. When you took your first breath It’s really cool.

REGINA: That’s amazing. Oh, I love this so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. People find you and work with you.

JEN: They can go on my website www.fegshuibyjen.com. I’m also on Instagram @fengshuibyjen, I would say those are probably the easiest place to find me. I do a lot of community events with workshops. So if you’re ever curious, you have like a weekend off, you have two hours to spare. Obviously, today, we’re all in zoom land. So the accessibility to my classes is a lot more. So it’s a join, spark your interest, learn something a little bit different and see if it really resonates with you. And then I know, I would love to work with you.

REGINA:  I love that. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing all of your wisdom.

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Regina Lawrence Esq. is a former trial attorney and law school professor turned soulful business & life strategist. She has found that so many entrepreneurs have these brilliant ideas and dreams but don’t know how to take the dream and create a system or structure to make that dream & idea profitable.  That is where Regina comes in.  With discipline, consistency, systems & structure, we can’t help but create profit & fulfillment from our soul-driven business ideas.

Regina’s approach to coaching marries her background in legal analysis, spirituality, mindset coaching, holistic nutrition, and neuroscience to create an experience that will assist you in getting into alignment, get clear on what you are here to do and what steps and systems to implement to make that dream a profitable reality.

You can find Regina on Instagram @reginaalawrence.