Today we have a special treat of a guest Dr. Morgan Anderson who is a clinical psychologist and also a coach. So Dr. Morgan Anderson is a clinical psychologist and relationship coach. She’s also the host of the Let’s Get Vulnerable Podcast and the creator of the ESL relationship method.

Dr. Morgan helps women break the toxic dating cycle, raise their self-worth, and attract the healthy relationship they’ve always wanted in her eight-week Relationship Coaching Program. Invite her on Instagram @drmorgancoaching. Just make sure you go over there. Check her out say and hi. Tell her that you heard her on the podcast. Her website is https://www.drmorgancoaching.com/ and her ESL program is on that site as well. In this episode, we talk all about how Dr. Morgan decided to become a clinical psychologist. And then how she pivoted from clinical psychology to coaching. And something I’m excited for her to share with all of you Is she really explains the distinction between psychology and therapy versus coaching because I think sometimes people get confused on what the differences and the nuances are.

We talk all about her specific niche in coaching which is helping professional women break the toxic cycle and attract loving relationships. We talked about why we as women, especially women who are so intelligent, and to the world have it all together, keep repeating the cycle of the toxic relationship. We talk about one of her areas of expertise, which is attachment theory and she explained to us exactly what attachment theory is, how it affects our ability to connect in all types of relationships. She explains the different types of attachment theory, how they can manifest in romantic relationships, and then at the end, she talks quite a bit about how we as entrepreneurs and business owners can use the knowledge and the understanding of attachment theory to better connect to the people who are working with us. 

If you love this episode, please go over check out Dr. Morgan’s profile. Literally, you can lose yourself in attachment theory information she is a wealth of knowledge so lovely. You will absolutely adore her and if you love this episode please take a screenshot share it in your story tag me at @reginaalawrence and tag @drmorgancoaching. If you really love this episode, it would make me so happy if you go over to iTunes and leave a five-star review. I love you guys. I hope you love this episode as much as we loved making it for you. And I’ll see you next week on the podcast. 

REGINA: So today on the podcast we have my friend who I became friends with through Instagram, Dr. Morgan Anderson, thank you so much for being on the podcast.

DR. MORGAN: I’m so excited to be here shout out Instagram for making new friendships. wonderful place to connect.

REGINA: I feel like all of my friendships like my virtual friendships and podcast guests have come from Instagram from just like finding and stalking great women on the internet.

DR: MORGAN: I love it. I love it. Okay, real quick. You’re also on the peloton, right?

REGINA: I am a new peloton rider.

DR: MORGAN: We really need to be friends on there too.

REGINA: I’ve been cheating on the peloton a little bit because there’s an F45 Gym right in my apartment complex. And I signed up for an unlimited membership. So I’ve been going a lot because like if I’m not there for a day or two, they’re like, where are you? I’m not being lazy. I was on my peloton. I want my peloton. 

Okay, so I want to go back to the beginning-ish. You are a psychologist but you also are doing a lot in the coaching realm. How do you make the decision in your life? What led you to the place to want to become a psychologist?

DR: MORGAN: Yes. So I knew early on, I was the girl who just wanted to have one on one conversations with the other kids and learn about their lives. Like I don’t want to go play. I just want to learn about you and hear your story. So as soon as I figured out that I would be able to be paid to do that. I knew I wanted to be a psychologist. And as early as Middle School people would ask me and I’d say, Oh, I’m gonna be a psychologist. So it came really, really early for me.

REGINA: It sounds like it came really naturally to, sit and hold space for people and ask questions and listen.

DR: MORGAN: Yes. And I will say, a lot of people who get into this field definitely had some childhood trauma and had some things happen early on, that kind of helped me develop the skill of really tuning into my environment, and really knowing what’s going on for people because I kind of had to learn how to do that. So like many people who are in mental health definitely came with a background of my own personal struggle and trauma.

REGINA: Totally. In your early life or before you became a psychologist did you actually work with a psychologist or therapist at all?

DR. MORGAN:  I did. So I remember, I went to some psychologists as a young kid even as early as eight years old. And I remember there were really good ones. And there were ones that were not so great. And I learned a lot about the people who are really present and I really feel like they hear me, those are the people who are really great. Also my aunt Bonnie, she’s actually been on my podcast, she is a therapist. And early on, I kind of got to see her work and look up to her as a role model. 

REGINA: Then why did you decide to make a shift from psychology into doing into more of the coaching space?

DR. MORGAN: So the road to becoming a clinical psychologist is not easy. I did at least 12 or so years of college. So 12 years of being totally broke and really, really struggling in terms of the workload and just all the things that go I do. If you’ve been to grad school, I know you have girl, so you know. It’s totally a struggle. Right. But you know, did my postdoc at UCSD and I was working at a college counseling center there and it was great. I enjoyed the work, but I could feel myself getting burnt out. Already, like not even licensed yet, and I’m already getting burnt out. And then I joined a group practice in La Jolla it’s a dream location, amazing people to work with. I loved what I was doing. And I was starting to see anywhere from 20 to 35 people a week.

So if you can imagine that, like 35 hours of one on one holding space for people. I was exhausted. And at that point, I didn’t make any space for dating, which is hilarious, because, I’m a relationship coach, and I was doing all the things I tell my clients not to do, I was totally burning myself out not prioritizing myself. And it got to the point where I noticed I had compassion fatigue, which if you’re a health provider, and that you just don’t care anymore, that was a huge red flag. So part of it for me was the burnout. And I had so much resistance because imagine, this is a lifelong dream, I spent hundreds of 1000s of dollars to do it. I’m this amazing practice in La Jolla, that people would kill to be part of, and I’m freaking burnt out, and I don’t like my life.

I was so resistant to it. Not to mention, I had heard of coaching. But all of the times I’d heard about it, it was psychologists kind of using it as a dirty word, kind of like, Who are these people who think that they can just call themselves a coach and charge a bunch of money and they don’t have degrees? Like, what is this BS? It was just a bunch of looking down on it. So there was a period of time where I knew I did something different, but I didn’t know what to do. I was so resistant. But then the other thing that I started to realize is that I love therapy. However, I was so drawn to helping people that actually make a change, and really up level to this next version of their life. I didn’t feel that therapy was always the best vehicle to do that. Because I would help these women get amazing awareness around why they’re dating the same guy over and over why their relationships are terrible, but then they wouldn’t know what to do with the awareness. So I started to see the gap there of women that need a roadmap, they need to know what to actually do. 

So between being burnt out, seeing the gap, thank God, I had a friend who was in the coaching space, so I could kind of like see it being done and see that as possible. All of that together, I just said, I’m doing it. I’m just I’m starting a coaching business.

REGINA: And when was that, that you had the realization that you were gonna do that?

DR. MORGAN: So this was in 2018. But I started out so slow, I remember, I took on one client, and I was like, “I have no idea what’s going to happen, this might go terribly”. So it started out so small, and I was just doing one on one and the crazy thing was though, is I was my own worst enemy in this because I was thinking, can I even do this? What are my colleagues gonna think of me? It wasn’t this traditionally respected thing. I would have nightmares that somehow the board would find out and it was illegal, right? I had all of these BS stories in my head. So I kept myself at very, very small. I wouldn’t even call it a business. It was like a little side income, you know, it wasn’t really a business.

REGINA: What helped you shift your perspective from being in a place of fear and scarcity to being like, “No, I can actually really do this thing.”

DR. MORGAN: What started to really shift for me as I realized that wasn’t about me. And I realized that people were getting a ton of value out of what I was teaching and the content I was putting out, and that people needed the work that I was doing. So the minute I stopped thinking about all my own stuff, and just focus on serving people, you know, I was able to make the full leap and kind of make it a real business and invest in business coaching, the most money I’ve ever spend on anything in my life getting a business coach.

REGINA: I think back to my own transition from practice to coaching, and I had the same fears that you did. I was like, “What are people gonna think of me? What are my colleagues gonna think of me at work?”, like we leave practicing to do this coaching thing? And it was the same thing as you. I was like, it’s not about you Regina. It’s about the people that you’re serving. And then I did the same thing you did. I have invested more money in coaching and masterminds and programs and I never thought possible, but that’s what helped me change and shift.

DR. MORGAN: When you’d make that investment, then you just show up, right? You’re like, well, this has to work out. 

REGINA: I have to show up for this thing. And it has to work because I just invested $15,000 in this thing.

DR. MORGAN: Yes, girl. Yes. Oh, my God. I was crazy, though. It’s like, I think when I was so caught up on what other people would think I would almost like seek those people out even realize that like I would get DMS from psychologists telling you that what I was doing was illegal. It’d be like my worst fear come true. Which by the way, it’s not. No.

REGINA: It’s interesting. It’s funny because I did a deep dive into the difference between coaching and therapy. When I started my business, I was doing a lot of stress and anxiety coaching with high performance, like myself. And so I was like, “Oh, no, like, Am I crossing the line?”, “Am I doing the right thing?” Whenever I would worry about it, Sharon, the therapist would DM me and be like, I call my friends who are therapists and coach and ask them, “Am I crossing a line? Would you tell me if I was crossing a line?” They’re like, “No, you’re coaching people. You’re not doing therapy on people.”

DR. MORGAN: Yes. Let’s talk about that. So people can kind of understand that.

REGINA:  I would love for you to explain the difference between being a psychologist and being a coach, 

DR. MORGAN: One of the things people don’t realize is that, as a psychologist, when you’re meeting with someone, you always have to have a DSM diagnosis. Okay, so you are clinically determining what their symptoms are and giving them a diagnosis, whereas, in coaching, we never do that. Right? The diagnosis is not part of coaching.

REGINA: What does DSM stand for? 

DR. MORGAN: Oh, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. And it’s on the fifth version. So it’s the DSM five, when you’re a psychologist, you have to use the DSM to be able to have a diagnosis, it just required you would never meet with somebody who didn’t have a diagnosis, if they don’t meet the criteria, you’re not going to meet with them. So to frame it in your mind is that a lot of times psychotherapy really is about the treatment of a disorder. It’s the treatment of something being wrong in your life, like you’re really, really struggling. And coaching is, “Hey, I see where you’re at right now, you’re actually doing pretty well. But you want to get from point A to point B.” And if so, if somebody came into my coaching business, and I felt like wow, they are clinically depressed, they’re meeting criteria for, a depressive disorder, they wouldn’t be a good fit. So I think another way to think of it too, is like with psychotherapy, there’s always going to be this goal of being a highly functioning person and just returning back to baseline. Whereas with coaching, it’s this idea of, “Hey, you want to achieve this goal, you want to get to this level, you’re going above baseline, you have this thing that’s missing in your life and you need a roadmap, you need a how-to, I’m going to coach you on it.” 

As psychologists, it’s in our ethics code to never give advice. As coaches, we give a lot of advice. So it’s just a whole different way of working. One way I like to think of it is like psychotherapy helps you understand where you’re at on the map and how you got there. Like, this is my location, this is how I got here. And then with coaching, it’s okay, you’re here, but you want to get here. Here’s the map.

REGINA: Are you still working as a psychologist as well as a coach? Or are you all in just coaching at this point?

DR. MORGAN: So this was the hardest thing for me, all of my shit came up when I was trying to do more coaching. Because it’s this identity, right? The psychologists’ identity. So I had the hardest time. There were probably six months where I should have cut down my caseload, but I just didn’t. So I was working full-time coach, owner of my business, and full-time psychologist. So that was wild. But I can tell you this, currently, I have just five psychotherapy clients that I meet with, and a lot of them are people I’ve met with for years.

REGINA:  And is the plan moving forward, to eventually not be doing any therapy? or you might still have a couple of people…  

DR. MORGAN: The kind of therapy I really actually enjoy is couples therapy, because it’s so interactive, and I love everything that goes on in the room. So I’ll probably always make space for a couple of couples. But no, in the long run, I mean, I definitely don’t need the income. And I make a bigger impact when I can serve a lot of people at once versus that one on one hour. So my big focus is to keep making an impact in group coaching and coaching many people at once.

REGINA: I love that. And the focus of your coaching as you have it on your Instagram is that you help professional women break the toxic cycle and attract loving relationships, which is such an incredible niche. As a professional woman, I think about my professional life when I was in practice and the toxic cycles that we get into. It’s interesting, because it’s like, the smartest, most “successful women”. And yet we end up in these toxic relationships over and over again.

DR. MORGAN: Yeah, I see such a need for it. And I think, I think one of the things that happen is this belief that if I’m just successful enough, or I’m just good enough on my own, that either I don’t need a relationship or, then I’ll finally be good enough for a relationship. So yeah, I see a lot of successful women that are not attracting the love that they deserve. And it breaks my heart, right?

REGINA: Well, it’s also like, I feel like that personality of a woman, and I am that personality of a woman is like when I do that thing that I can be rewarded when I get to that place. When I get that promotion, when I’m I have a really good friend, she’s a professional badass, and she’s like, “Well, no, I need to lose more weight before I can get on Tinder.” Like and a lot have that mindset.

DR. MORGAN: I actually just did a live with my women about this because I get so fired up. You cannot put a condition on your worthiness. You are worthy of a relationship as you are. It’s such a lie to put your physical appearance or your career as a condition.

REGINA: But we do it so often. Why do you think that is? Why do you think that, where things specifically saying when I get that thing, when I do that thing, when I become that thing, then I’m worthy of the relationship?

DR. MORGAN: I see it as a couple. There are a couple of different reasons why that can happen. I think definitely if we look at your relationship blueprint, and if early on your caregivers didn’t give you attention and they would only reward you when you were successful. So that blueprint kind of develops of “I have to achieve in order to receive love routinely.” So there’s that piece. The other thing, and this one’s interesting is little sneakier. Sometimes we will think that, “Okay, when I get there when that thing happens, we’ll actually use it as an avoided technique or a distancing technique to not be vulnerable and we just keep putting it off.

REGINA: That makes sense. I when I think of my blueprint, I was somebody who I have a bit of I’m a big family. And the way that I could get attention was to be the perfect achieving child. So look at me! Look at the good things I did! And I think that’s where it has come from for me for sure.

DR. MORGAN:  Yeah, so many people have that experience. And I think the sad thing is, is when we’re putting that energy out there into dating, and we’re saying, “Hey, look at me, look at all these ways that I’m good at.” We actually kind of attract people who are more superficial and, look at those things, versus people who are accepting us unconditionally, and as a whole human. So that’s why it’s like, “Why do I keep dating assholes?” It’s like, “Well, you’re putting conditions on your worthiness, and you’re attracting that into your life.”

REGINA: So something that you talk about all the time on Instagram, and I’ve told you this that I love so much as you talk about attachment styles. And I see a lot of different people starting to talk about this more and more, but I feel like you’re doing such an excellent job, explaining it, bringing up the different questions and issues around it. Will you explain to the listeners what that means? What attachment theory is?

DR. MORGAN: Yes. And I know this could go on and on. So I’m gonna try to make it short and sweet. 

Attachment theory is really the study of looking at how your early experiences in relationships have shaped your current way that you go about relationships. 

Basically, your early experiences and how they impact how you show up right now in love. So a lot of people remember psych 101, they talk about Mary Ainsworth and John Bowlby, talk about Attachment theory, they originally studied that with baby monkeys. And what they realized is that when they would take the mother away from the baby monkeys, they, over any other form of reassurance, food, anything, they would want a terry cloth, because it was the thing that reminded them the most of their mothers.

So one piece that always kind of stood out to me is this idea that as humans, part of our survival is our connection to our caregiver, or to our person in a romantic relationship, right? That is your reassurance in life. So we need others. And attachment theory really applies to all relationships, but we certainly see the patterns clearly show up in our romantic relationships. And what are the different attachment styles that people can develop? So I guess what I want to say first is that everyone can have traits of each attachment style. So just because I mentioned when you think, “Oh, yeah, that’s me,” you may also have some traits in another. So I kind of like to think of it on a spectrum. So that’s my caveat. 

We have anxious attachment, which is if you need reassurance. If you’re someone who’s like, oh, he hasn’t texted me, it’s been eight hours, he’s been texting me back and then you start to notice that you have fears that he’s no longer interested are the relationships going to end? These are people who worry a lot about the relationship no longer being there. So high need for reassurance. And the fear, the way I like to think about this in a nutshell is, 

“The fear of abandonment outweighs the desire for me to be myself and get my needs met. So not being abandoned is more important than honoring myself.”

So then we have avoidant and avoidantly attached folks kind of get a bad reputation. Sometimes they get confused as Narcissists, it’s totally different. Avoidantly attached folks really struggle with intimacy, they really struggle with closeness. When they’re close to someone, all of their fears come up about they’re going to disappoint the person or they’re not good enough. So they find a lot of ways to distance themselves. This Looks like having a great date with them. But then they don’t text you for two weeks, you know, like, they’ll totally disappear. So they use a lot of distancing strategies, and they need a lot of alone time. And then there’s disorganized, which is this lovely combination of both anxious and avoidant. And this one is maddening to women, I get a lot of disorganized, women who I work with, and they’re like, “I just can’t take it anymore.” It’s where you never know what your strategy is gonna be, am I gonna be distant? Or am I gonna be anxious?

REGINA: I know that I’ve done that so many times.

DR. MORGAN:  Yeah. And then we have secure, 

“Secure is where you value yourself, and you value the relationship. And you know that, yes, a partner adds to my life. But I also have a secure base within myself.” 

You’re able to effectively express your needs, and you’re comfortable with intimacy, and you overall experience really healthy relationships that add value to your life. So all of us want to spend as much time as possible in secure attachment.

REGINA: Yeah, like as you’re explaining each of them, I think about different points in my life, where I have fallen into each of those categories with different people like growing up, I would say I was an anxious, I was very anxiously attached. But I also grew up in a family of addicts, and I was like the codependent caretaker. So of course, I was anxious. And then when I’ve been too smothered by somebody who was like, so into me, I would become avoidant. And then I’ve also been in relationships where there’s great communication, and it’s simple. And there’s a great dynamic, and I’m very secure.

DR. MORGAN: It’s so true that depending on the relationship, and the partner, you’re with different styles will be more prominent for you.

REGINA: It’s also interesting too, because I think about attachment style, and intuition. So the relationships that I would get anxious in, I’d be like, “Oh, no, like what’s happening?” A lot of times, intuitively, there was actually something going on, that I was feeling that wasn’t being said, like, they were cheating on me. And I was feeling anxious, all of a sudden, because there was something else happening.

DR. MORGAN:  This is a really good point, I always want people to know that these styles develop out of survival, right? Like if having a secure connection, and secure base is part of us thriving as humans. These different styles are just ways of being that are developed for survival. So knowing that the anxious attachment is there, and it’s just trying to help you write, and being able to listen to it, it’s true that it can certainly be connected to intuition.

REGINA: What do you think If somebody’s listening to this, and they identify as someone who’s anxiously attached, I feel like, a lot of the women I know tend to fall into anxious. How do we start to, to change that or to work on that or to help ourselves?

DR. MORGAN: Talk to me about the program. Because here’s the thing, people will try to get all kinds of strategies, but you and I know, it’s such an internal shift. One of the first things I would say is you need to be able to work on self-soothing, and really healing your relationship with yourself, and raising up your self-worth. Because if you’re prioritizing,”I don’t want to be abandoned,” you’re prioritizing that over you getting your needs met. And that’s just going to keep setting you up for failure in relationships. 

You need to get to a place where you’re prioritizing YOU. 

You’re prioritizing your needs. And you’re comfortable with expressing boundaries or expressing Hey, this really isn’t working out for me.

REGINA: I love that answer. Because it’s not just one thing that you can do. There’s not like, here’s the checklist of how to “fix this thing.” It took a lifetime to get to develop a certain attachment style. I think about myself like I’ve done so much work. I’ve worked with therapists I’ve worked with coaches. And even now I get triggered by things. And I have thoughts of “What is real? And what is not real?” And do deep self-work when that happens.

DR. MORGAN: So true. I think that it’s funny that you say that because I actually have a practice that I call reality testing, that I teach the women in the program, and it’s all about how can you check in with what’s real and what’s not. And also self-compassion, and really, really having so much compassion for that anxious attachment, when it comes up and saying, hey, this was a skill that you used earlier on in your life. And at one point, it was really helpful, and it’s what you needed to do to get your needs met. And it’s no longer serving you, we don’t need to have this anxiety anymore. So having compassion instead of judgment, when you have an anxious attachment, spiral come up. 

REGINA:  I love that you just said that. My favorite therapist that I worked with, Nate, I worked with Nate through law school. And I was working through a lot of my childhood and a lot of my life stuff and a lot of my anxiety. And he was like, “Regina, that served you, you have that enabled you to do the things you’ve done, to be successful to get through your childhood. It has served you it doesn’t serve you anymore.” Identity. And that was like the most beautiful breakthrough. And I think about that all the time. It served you to get to this point, but it doesn’t anymore.

DR. MORGAN: Such a powerful shift when you can really realize that and internalize that. 

REGINA: Definitely. And I know people are gonna have so many questions about attachment theory. So I don’t know if we actually said this out loud. But Dr. Morgan has a podcast, “Let’s get vulnerable” and she talks about attachment theory so much. And if you connect with her on Instagram, you can dm her, you can ask questions, and she pulls her out, you pull from questions that people send you for your podcasts and posts, don’t you? 

DR. MORGAN: I do.

REGINA: Yeah, you could literally just fall down the rabbit hole of her Instagram, and you will learn so much information. It’s so valuable. One thing I want to talk to you before we go, because I know a lot of people that listen to my podcast are entrepreneurs, and they’re business owners, and they’re hiring teams, and they have people on their team. And like you said attachment theory is not just in romantic relationships, it applies in all relationships. So I’m trying to even think about how to ask this question succinctly. I’ll make it personal. So for me as a business owner, and I have employees that are working for me. How can I start to kind of understand and educate myself around the people who work for me as attachment style, so I can better leave that?

DR. MORGAN: This is a great question. And it’s something I think about a lot. Actually, this relationship between attachment theory and how it can help us have better work lives. So glad we’re talking about it. I will say this, when we think about some of the core pieces here, it’s really how can you feel appreciated, secure. And, I’ll even say loved although I know that doesn’t totally apply and work. But that that sense of security, because what happens is when somebody feels secure as an entrepreneur, their team feels secure, then they can go out and do great things. Right? When we have a secure base, we’re able to thrive. So your job as the leader, or you know, the CEO, is to make sure that your people know that you’re there, you’re reliable, you’re consistent, you’re stable, you value them, and you care about how they feel and what their needs are. And you can help heal somebody like so somebody, example, who’s really anxious, they may need some more reassurance in the beginning. And then somebody who’s avoidant, they may just go row, you don’t hear from them for weeks, they’re not doing their stuff. And you’re like, what the hell dude, you know, and they really value autonomy. So they need to know that they’re part of a team, but that you also respect their autonomy. And you just have to talk about it, to talk about it.

REGINA: And I think too, like especially thinking about like Whether it’s the employee who is anxious, or the employee who needs space and is more distant, I’m seeing for myself as a business owner, I have to have those conversations with people like, how do you communicate? How like when you start dating somebody, you have to have the conversations about communication. If we have an argument, How do you like to argue? Yeah. Are you a texter? Do you not like to text? Do you like to talk on the phone? I think we have to have the same dynamic setup with employees? We do.

DR. MORGAN:  Yeah, you have to be willing to meet them where they’re at. And, have conversations where you say, “Hey, I value you, I also value the business.” And how can we together create an environment for you where you know, you feel appreciated. And you also are able to go off and you know, do your own thing independently? I’ll talk about this concept, interdependence sometimes, which is this idea of like, “Hey, we have this great relationship together, and I trust you to make decisions.” I trust you to go and handle the thing that I’ve given to you. And I trust you to come to me when you need to. So I think attachment theory is a great tool for just learning how to build that trust and what it looks like for each individual that you’re working with. And it’s time well spent. Anytime that you’re building that trust.

REGINA: I still agree with that. As I’m hiring on my team, I’m trying to develop that relationship with them, and figure out what are their strengths? Like, what do they love to do? How do I connect with you? How do we communicate and work together? Think about this anxious person, their biggest fear is of abandonment in the workplace that’s being fired, right? So then what are they going to do? They’re not going to come to you about things, they’re going to be so afraid of what you’re going to do that they won’t tell you and you don’t want that at all?

We do not want that. No, no, that’s so so helpful. So tell the audience how First of all, tell them how they can work with you tell them about your ESL program. 

DR. MORGAN: Yeah, so I started the empowered, secure, and loved relationship program because that’s how we all want to feel in relationships. And it’s an eight-week program for women designed to take you from wherever you are right now to securely attached and attracting the relationship that you really deserve. That’s healthy. And the best way to do or to find out about that is to just go to my Instagram and go to the link in my bio and there’s an Apply Now. You’ll hop on a call with me or my team and find out more. That call really is just the way to find out more about the program. And then I know you already mentioned the podcast I can’t stress the podcast enough. I love it. I love putting out episodes and so much of it is about attachment theory.

REGINA: Love your podcast, so good. I’ve like been on walks and have binge listened to episodes like when I’m dating. I’m like, “Help me with my anxious attachment!”

DR.MORGAN: Yes,  mostly I love doing it. So yeah, definitely check that out and come say hi on Instagram @drmorgancoaching. It’s just Dr. Morgan coaching and I always love to meet new people. So send me a DM.

REGINA: Awesome. We will also share all of Dr. Morgan’s info on Instagram in the show notes If you guys love this episode, we would love it if you would take a screenshot, share it on your story. And don’t forget to tag me and Dr. Morgan. I hope you guys have the best week and I will see you next week on the podcasts.

Regina Lawrence Esq. is a former trial attorney and law school professor turned soulful business & life strategist. She has found that so many entrepreneurs have these brilliant ideas and dreams but don’t know how to take the dream and create a system or structure to make that dream & idea profitable.  That is where Regina comes in.  With discipline, consistency, systems & structure, we can’t help but create profit & fulfillment from our soul-driven business ideas.

Regina’s approach to coaching marries her background in legal analysis, spirituality, mindset coaching, holistic nutrition, and neuroscience to create an experience that will assist you in getting into alignment, get clear on what you are here to do and what steps and systems to implement to make that dream a profitable reality.

You can find Regina on Instagram @reginaalawrence.