Today we have a guest from the music industry. Anna Turunen is a little bit of a different guest than what we’ve had before. But she is the same beautiful flavor of woman that I love to connect with, who is so high vibe and is thinking about and doing such beautiful things in the world. And as a seasoned music marketing professional podcast host and high performance and wellness coach for artists, she studied music management at London’s Middlesex University before getting her bachelor’s degree in marketing in her native country of Finland. 

After completing a marketing internship at Sony Music Finland she then moved back to London and landed in the marketing team of universal music’s UK frontline label Polydoor, which won the prestigious Music Week Label of the Year award historic two years in a row. During her four years at Polydoor. She successfully executed alternative rock and pop artists’ marketing campaigns, including two number one albums with five seconds of Saundra summer and Youngblood as Product Manager which is so amazing. It was at this time when her passion for artists mental health advocacy, and self-development took over and she got certified as a cognitive behavioral hypnotherapist from the UK College of hypnosis and hypnotherapy. She then started her music industry and mental health podcast break the record and her artist coaching company called Break the Record coaching. You can find Anna online at https://www.breaktherecordconsulting.com/ and on Instagram at @theAnnaturunen

Dive into so many beautiful things in this episode. We talk about her journey through the music industry into the particular niche that she is specializing in which is really focusing holistically on the musical artists in a way that other coaches have not in the past. Also, another thing that has been so powerful on Anna’s journey has been the use of psychedelic medicines for healing so we really dive into that and as you guys know, that has been such a big thing for me on my journey. So with that, I hope you guys love this episode. 

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Regina:  Today, we have a beautiful guest who is going to share about so many incredible things that she’s doing in the world, from working with artists and coaching them in a way that they really haven’t been coached before, to her own journey and experience with psychedelics, which you guys know, I love to talk about I love exploring this because this is a season of my life that I’m in and that I’m exploring. So with that, welcome, Anna Turunen to the show. 

Anna: Hi, Regina, thanks so much for having me such a treat. I was just thinking about this because obviously, I have my own podcast. But being on this side for once is like hell yes.

Regina:  So good. So good. I’m so excited for the guests to connect with you and to learn so much from you. So something that you and I were chatting about before we started recording was our journeys and our experiences with psychedelic medicine. And you know, one of the things I’m really excited for you to talk about today is your journey and your experiences. Because we’re living in a world where psychedelics are something that we’re hearing a lot about in the mainstream media, we’re hearing about Psilocybin and mushrooms and Ayahuasca journeys, but there’s still a lot of stigma around those things. Do you feel like that too?

Anna: I feel like it’s a very weird space because I think people in the spiritual community. Like for us, it’s pretty every day to talk about these things for us it’s pretty normal. So you get into this bubble where you don’t even realize what it’s like for the mainstream right now. And I think there’s a lot of intrigues, but there’s a lot of fear. That’s what I find mostly is like, these post the war on drugs kind of like propaganda lives very strongly where it’s like, you can be certified insane if you do LSD more than like, six or seven times or something that has absolutely no basis on any sort of research. And I think it’s about time that we are really addressing those, old beliefs because psychedelics are the future of mental health like the research is getting there right now. And it’s just baffling. And something that I always like to say is that healing belongs to everybody. So I think it’s important that we start taking steps like this is the third time psychedelics have really had a massive wave when it comes to how they’re used. So this time, we can actually look back and kind of like learn what happened wrong last time. And what can we do differently this time so that more people can benefit from the beautiful health benefits of psychedelics.

Regina: Absolutely. For yourself, how did you start to get into the world of psychedelics?

Anna: Hmm. So I grew up in Finland, for anyone thinking where the hell is her accent from? And I come from a pretty unique background in so that my mother’s a psychotherapist, and my father was a psychiatrist. And my dad was pretty hippie at heart. And he loved cannabis and but he was also a doctor, obviously, so I remember just growing up he never tried to push anything on me for sure. But I just remember he was super open about it. And he was very passionate about weed, basically. And so that’s what I grew up kind of thinking that there’s something in nature but then my first psychedelic journey was with mushrooms when I was just turned 18 I think and before that, I just thought they were dumb. I was like oh, that’s so dumb, why would anyone do that?  Kind of vibe and then a couple of my friends were gonna do mushrooms because they were they have done them a few times and I was like, you guys that’s so gross. And then when they started tripping, well they’re not incoherent I mean they’re giggling and they’re still making a lot of sense but there’s they’re not what I kind of thought in my head was that you know alcohol gets people so sloppy. So where like alcohol and some other common substances they get people very just like sloppy. The effect of psilocybin or any other psychedelics is completely opposite it actually makes you more focused it actually makes you more in touch in tune with everything so I was like that’s not scary so when I was around those guys I took a few mushrooms as well and I remember just like this feeling of like, Oh my god, like I can feel something happening and then I just remember talking to myself like okay, you have two choices. You can either have a good trip or a bad trip, and it was a good trip. And it was honestly, absolutely, just fantastic, my mind just opened so much. And I was so connected to nature in a way that I never thought I was. I always wanted to live in a city, I always wanted to be like a modern kind of like Cosmo girl or whatever. And it was like just a complete U-turn from there. I did mushrooms a few times, and then LSD a few times as well. And then something happened with me where I was like, not in the best mental state in general in life. And I actually ended up having a PTSD kind of flashback, not on medicine. I want to make that very clear, it happened months and months after, and it wasn’t like a flashback. But it was like a very, real nervous system over excitement. And so I took a couple of years off completely because I was like, okay, something’s off, I had like a lot of anxiety attacks, and I didn’t want to bring anything to upset that and then eventually started getting back into the usage of psychedelics made like five years ago now because I was afraid that like I was going to upset my nervous system again, but actually, it was only helpful because what I was experiencing at the time was, I work in the music industry and I moved to London, five years ago from Finland and just fully put myself into this masculine energy of like, it’s here. And it’s just like, I need to work with the biggest artists in the world and I really pushed myself to this super masculine stress mold that I couldn’t really hold for long, and how that turned out it was, I developed bulimia at the age of what was I, 24, 25 when it started and I had it for three years. And the crazy part with that was  I thought, how is somebody who is as dedicated to doing the self-work and who’s really just researching every day and how they can make themselves feel better and heal and truly doing the work. How can I still have fucking eating disorder in my mid-20s? How is that a thing? And then eventually, three years ago and I think I ended up doing a stronger, first-ever solo strong mushroom trip. I think I took three rounds and after that just completely vanished from my system. 

Three years of just spending my head in the toilet hating myself just being, What is wrong with me and then spending that afternoon with three grams of mushrooms and it just I have not thrown options since.

Regina:  Was there something that happened during that experience with the three grams of mushrooms,  were there realizations that were made for you about being bulimic?

Anna: So then here’s an interesting thing about psychedelics for anyone who hasn’t really done them. You can’t really explain how they fix you or how they work. Everyone has such a subjective experience. So what ended up happening to me, I remember this because I laugh about it all the time. It’s so nonsensical, but hey, it worked. Was that I was laying on this beach, and I was listening to music. And I have this song that I’ve always said that I want to be my funeral song. So when I die, I want this song to be played at my funeral. And it’s Freebird by Linux Guittard. And for anyone who knows that song, it has an obscenely long guitar solo in the middle. It’s super long, it’s two, three minutes. And that’s going to be my final haha to everyone at my funeral. They’re gonna be, No, she was such a free bird and then that fucking solo just won’t stop and people are gonna be, Okay, this is so handy. So, I was at the beach, and I was breaking out into what I  to call energetic hives. So there were some small bugs that were tickling my feet. And for whatever reason, I just could not stop twitching, it felt my feet were kind of on fire. So I remember saying to my subconscious, at that moment when the guitar solo was approaching that if you can be without twitching your legs for the duration of that guitar solo, you will have overcome your bulimia. And I literally felt like my feet were on fire at that point because you know, it’s just so funny to explain, but I made it through, and afterward, I was like, god damn it, that helped and it just vanished from my system. So with that makes no sense. In no way, none whatsoever, but if it works, it works.

Regina:   Mm hmm. And so then after that experience where psychedelics helped you to overcome bulimia? What has your experience been with psychedelics moving forward?

Anna: So I don’t do micro-dosing, because I just haven’t really gotten around to it, I’ve done it a few times. But I also want to make really sure that because I now understand the power of psychedelics is that I’m doing it in a very responsible manner. And in that you have to consider legalities, obviously, because what may happen is that if there’s another massive wave of people, just self-healing, and doing a bunch of psychedelics, and not really taking the responsibility around that, you know, somebody does something, and he ends up in the news, and then that kind of fucks it all for everybody. So that’s something I feel very,  strongly about is that if it’s a social environment, I won’t take more than a gram, which is just an enhancing thing. You can’t really do go wrong with that, you know, and ever,  after that, I’ve done Bufo, so before various f5-MeO-DMT, twice now, which has been  another absolutely insane experience,

Regina:  Will you explain to the listeners what buffo is?

Anna: Yeah, so Bufo is 5-MeO-DMT, there’s a couple of different kinds of DMT and this one is probably the most strong psychedelic experience known to man, it’s not very visual necessarily, but what it does to your brain is that it fully shuts down your brain’s default mode network, which we as we know, ourselves out ego lives, so it shuts it down for a good 10 15 minutes, it’s very quick in and out kind of, a vertical experience where you just basically die, but it is the most beautiful experience. And you experience this kind of unity consciousness, where some people don’t really remember anything, at least for the first time. So everyone has a very subjective experience, but it’s basically this. This frog, called the Sonoran Desert Toad that lives somewhere it’s also Colorado desert, Colorado River Toad, I think it’s the same toad so it lives underground nine months of the year, and then it comes up for breeding and eating for three months. So there’s a tribe in Mexico called the Sierra tribe who I believe discovered it and this was a shock to me, they didn’t discover it until 1992. So it’s not this thing that has been around for you know, 1000s of years it’s very recent. And so a facilitator that I’m familiar with who used to actually work in a psychiatric ward in New York for a couple of decades so he came from a very Western background of Western psych psychiatric medicine and he just kind of was what else is out there there’s got to be better solutions so he went to see the Sierra tribe and he asked them because the way that you get the poison from the toad is that when the toes are up you just basically rub them and then you milk the poison of their glands into this piece of glass and then when it’s wet, it’s highly poisonous, but when it dries and gets crystallized then the poison kind of goes away so he just asked us to try it’s okay, what made you think that this would be a good idea to just pick up this toad and just smoke the venom?

That is what you do in Bufo, you smoke it and so he asked him what made you think this is a good idea to do and that search I’ve told him and this is where it gets highly interesting is that the star people told us to do it interesting. Yes. And that Okay, yeah, just UFO is just being okay, these humans need to upgrade their consciousness pretty damn ASAP. So okay, here’s the toad. And that’s very much has been my experience is that you experienced this kind of multi-dimensional experience outside of the reality 3D constructs that we know because that is the 3d reality that we’re able to perceive with our senses right now, but it kind of shuts that down and you live in a multidimensional space, which kind of sounds really scary, but it’s actually really beautiful. And I truly believe that that’s kind of what happens when we die because when a human or when anything dies, we have our natural source of DMT in our pineal gland, which is obviously a gland that has been, you know, ancient Egyptians. It’s all over their art,  the kind of pine cone symbolism is everywhere. So they knew the power of that gland when it comes to being in contact with, you know, one giant consciousness universe, whatever you’d to think about. So, the interesting thing with that is the last time I did it, and when, when you’re in Bufo, you don’t even remember your body, so you’re fully somewhere else. And they so you can’t really remember what you did. Some people talk, some people just lay still, some people really bounce around. So that’s why you need, experienced facilitators there as well to make sure your body is safe. And so what I had done, and I honestly have no recollection of this is that I had tried to put my fingers down my throat multiple times, and they had to pull my hand out.

Regina:  Really? Yeah. Okay. How long is the Bufo experience?

Anna: It’s really short. So as you start to inhale the smoke, you pretty much go already it’s really just quick in and out. So the thick of it lasts about anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes. And the whole experience when you come out of it, and everything is 40- 45 or something that, because obviously, you want to lay down there and get a meditative dose a little bit more, and linger in the consciousness of it.

Regina: That’s really quick. I don’t know why I thought Bufo was a much longer experience.

Anna: It’s very quick, but also, you often don’t have any sense of time. So it can feel like an eternity. And it can feel two seconds because we obviously exist in a place where time, you know beyond time, so you can feel longer.

Regina:  Yeah. So when you sat with buffo Did it feel like a quick experience? Or did you have just literally no concept of the time?

Anna: It’s hard to explain, I kind of ended up in this. I just remember being in this white space, and I saw a golden Flower of Life pattern everywhere. But it wasn’t,  a space where you look at look around your room.  there wasn’t space for that. But he was the universe before God has decided to start dividing. So the very first dimension where all is one. And I just remember hearing this primordial hum of the universe of it just existing in all its potency. I don’t know that totally didn’t answer your question, but time wasn’t really an issue.

Regina:  So fascinating. Aside from Psilocybin, Bufo and LSD, have you experienced any other psychedelics?

Anna: Well, MDMA, but I would be loosely counting that and ketamine as well.  And I’m going to do hopefully my first Ayahuasca this December. 

Regina:   I was gonna ask you if you’ve sat with Aya yet? 

Anna: Yeah, not yet. It’s coming.

Regina:  I’m sitting with Aya. This month, or next month for the first time super exciting. I’m very excited. I’m just going into it very open to whatever I’m supposed to receive. She’s been calling to me a lot. So I’m really excited about that. So it’s something you and I were chatting about before we started the episode is the kind of the disconnect in the world of psychedelics, how we have the organization, say the name of the organization that’s doing a lot of research MAPS, right? 

Anna: It stands for and I hate it because it’s such a tongue twister is multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies.

Regina:  Okay, so there’s MAPS, who’s doing all of the heavy research. And then there’s a lot going on, in, in our culture with psychedelics. And so you were chatting about how do we merge the two worlds together? Is that right?

Anna:  Yeah, so what I feel is such a good point to make at this point in time is that when we look back in history, and the first time psychedelics were really, even discovered or used have been in various different indigenous cultures where, things like Ayahuasca obviously have been used in a ceremonial setting for rites of passages for religious purposes, mostly. And that is obviously still happening in multiple different cultures, but it’s very like, in the rain forest or whatever. So it’s kind of like over there, you know, you have to really search for it. So it doesn’t really, it can’t really come out of there, you know. And then the second time around, obviously, in the 50s 60s, and 70s, the hippie movement, which kind of shot the bed in that day. It was an interesting time, obviously, it’s politically and historically for multiple different reasons. But as a result of that, so LSD was discovered, and actually Harvard audible paces was where most of the psychedelic research was happening at the time, because they realized, okay, we really got something. And that really pissed a lot of the people like the professors in Harvard off, because a lot of these students were, going into the psychedelic studies, where, you know, they didn’t have enough students. So though it was just causing a lot of trouble. And in a variable time, where, you know, there was a war being fought that was highly controversial. And then there was a huge movement of young people who did not agree with the war. But obviously, you can’t make that illegal, but what you can do is you can make the substances illegal, that all of those people were, you know, using, and feeling the freedom from. So, unfortunately, psychedelics became, vilified by the state, by the government. And I don’t think it was, I mean, easy to say now, but, it wasn’t really used in a matter of healing. It was almost children being, “What can I do with this? and, “Oh, what is consciousness?” and in which is a beautiful part of psychedelics, but we’re in a place right now, where it’s like in a third wave where we can kind of, look back and say, okay, that’s what happened last time. Now we’re slowly coming out of the lockdown of psychedelics. And being, like, okay, damn, this research is really compelling. So what MAPS is doing is they’re in the face of phase three clinical trials for MDMA for PTSD, which is fantastic, because the results are absolutely staggeringly so much better than just the normal therapy. So all of these different clinical research is happening. And then there’s, you know, your psychonaut users or people who have been experimenting themselves and then there’s the kind of party users, but how do we make that research? And then the cultural kind of meet? And how do we do it in a way that really showcases that these medicines are extremely powerful, you should respect them, but you shouldn’t be afraid of them. And what is the right Code of Conduct kind of how to use it, if you’re an “average” normal person, and you’re kind of interested in these medicines, I don’t believe in such a thing as an average person, by the way, but just for the sake of this conversation, and what I’m kind of doing right now we’re starting a bit of an initiative is that I obviously work with some pretty major artists out there. For instance, Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox, who recently did Ayahuasca and they talked about it on multiple different, shows out there, as well as the lead singer from Imagine Dragons, who obviously has a Mormon background he did, I asked that as well with his wife and said that that was a major component in saving their marriage. So I think it’s important to kind of bring people who know what’s at stake. Because healing does belong to everyone. So just talking about it in a way that people can kind of relate to, if somebody says, doing this with my wife saved my marriage, because we were able to see each other truthfully, in a completely different light in a way where talking just didn’t work. You know, I think there’s something there. So that’s what I’m kind of,  looking into right now is how we can make this, how we can do it in a smart way. 

Regina:  I had such a fear before experiencing psychedelics because I grew up in a family of drug addicts. So seven of my nine siblings are drug addicts, or I’ve had addiction problems. And so and my parents are in their 70s. So they lived through the sexual revolution and Woodstock and all the things right. And so I grew up with a lot of stigma around it and having siblings who had addiction issues, I was like, Oh, no, I would never, I would never try psychedelic. So really my consciousness has been rising and I’ve expanded and also just having the experience of people who I really respect, as humans, as business owners, as entrepreneurs, and hearing about their experiences with psychedelics, that just hearing that and hearing that people have been having different experiences with psychedelics has opened me up to sitting and having experiences that five years ago, I would have been like, I’m not a drug addict. So I think it’s so important, on on the level that we are at in our lives, but then also that, you know, celebrities and people who have, in the public eye have a view of status, that people can hear their experiences, and be like, “Oh, this celebrity or this famous entrepreneur who I aspire to have a business like, is having these experiences and having these beautiful breakthroughs.

Anna: Yeah, totally. And that’s why I feel so passionately about this because who do kids look up to, not their parents, not necessarily, not their teachers, it’s the rock stars, it’s always the artists, it’s always the actors, who they kind of look up to and want to be. So part of my purpose, I strongly feel part of my purpose in this life is to kind of guide these people who I get to work with, and really just be like, how do you talk about this, if you want to talk about it, what is the kind of example that you want to set because it doesn’t have to be psychedelics, it can be something as simple as you know, breathwork if I can teach somebody how to do breathwork in coaching, and then they go into an interview, and the interviewer asks them, so you’ve been struggling with anxiety, what has helped you and they say, Well, actually, I’ve been doing cold exposure and, and breathwork. And then kids everywhere are like, “What is breathwork?”, you know? So, that is what I see happening, or what I envision happening is that helping people manage their problems better. And then when those people have large platforms, talk about the things that have helped them in a way that kind of demystifies them, because right now,  psychedelics are really scary, and really, you know, hard to approach if you’re not already kind of got friends who are in it. So I’m just hoping that that’s the leap we can make is teach people how to talk about then kind of demystify them in the culture and make them more approachable.

Regina:  Totally. It’s a question I didn’t ask. It’s a little bit of a backstab. But how did you get involved in the record industry in the music industry?

Anna: Hmm. So I’ve just always been a very intense person, very passionate. And I remember when I was. what 17-18? And thought, “What am I actually going to do with my life though?” and I was like, Okay, I probably have to do something that I love for a living because otherwise that’s just not gonna work. So what do I love? I love horses. I love music. And I was in horse breeding for a while as well, but then I decided to make the natural transition into the record labels.

Regina:  From horse breeding to the record labels. Love it.

Anna:  Yeah, so obviously, I was living in Finland at the time and I was getting my marketing degree. Finland’s a very small country. So I knew a couple of people who kind of were on the label sides. So I got an internship at Sony Music over in Finland, and that was such a revelation for me, I was like, you can do this for a living???  Are you freaking kidding me? Jobs don’t have to be boring. And after I finished my internship, I was just so hungry. I want to work with the biggest artist in the world. And in order to do that, you have to either you know, live in the US or the UK, and I just ended up kind of, getting the first job that I could possibly find in music in the UK, which was not the greatest I ended up staying there only for six months. But after I took the job after a couple of interviews and then ended up moving my entire life over in four days’ notice from Finland to London, and I’ve kind of been on that road since so I got a job as a marketing assistant at Universal Music here in London. And then I’ve just kind of moved my way up. And I’m about to launch my own, coaching side which we can get into real soon. So yeah, this just passion took me there.

Regina:  It’s so beautiful. So what is the leap that you are making from working in the industry to coaching?

Anna: Yeah, so this happened at the beginning of lockdown. I remember there was just the initial two Week phase of what the fuck is happening right now I feel everyone was in such a shock when things just close so suddenly here and in that time I had been in this very codependent relationship with my job for that three year time where I loved it but I had no identity outside of it. All I could feel was there’s got to be something more  I’m not really giving back because I get to work with cool people I get to do really cool marketing exercises and go to cool events but what else is there? And then I read this book at the time which I highly recommend to anyone who’s searching for their next thing to do or searching for their meaning or it’s just a really good book it’s Mastery by Robert Greene. It’s so good and yeah, at the end he’s like what? I feel like every one of us has our innate zone of genius but it’s usually so second nature to us that we don’t even think about it as being something they get paid for or something that is a talent. And ever since I’ve been young and it could be because obviously my background and my parents being both in the mental health industry is that people just tell me their deepest and darkest stories. And that’s been happening since I was a teenager. People just tell me stuff without maybe even really asking and but I didn’t want to be a therapist. So I was like, What can I do that’s kind of in the middle, and what I obviously know so well is the music industry. But what I also know is this self-development world. I actually got after that lockdown started here. I got certified as a cognitive behavioral hypnotherapist because I’ve been working with hypnosis for years at that point on myself and just all my friends and so that felt supernatural to me anyway. So I’ve just been slowly getting accredited and now moving into… I will still continue to do the record label work, but on the side launching an artist coaching company called “Break the record Consulting” which is going to cater to artists who are just struggling with anything that has to do with being an artist. And it’s a lot because what we do so well as a culture and as an industry is that we sell them the dream of what it’s to be a professional artist you know get to tour get fans, right? But then none of that is actually going to take and none of the how you’re going to be feeling and how the process is emotionally and mentally and how your relationships are going to be changing and soon what are you going to do when especially now that we signed so many young artists from Tiktok who just blow up and they don’t really know at all what’s happening. So  I was just being informed about trauma and also just nervous system function.  It’s just educating them, okay so what you’re experiencing right now is that your nervous system is on a completely sympathetic mode, and just bringing very down to earth things into their lives and also having somebody who understands the industry to help them through all these different conversations, around fame and money and fans and canceled culture, social media boundaries all of it yeah so that’s where I’m being drawn towards.

Regina:  That’s beautiful and you know, I can just think about different celebrities or different artists that we think about them during their lives the first person that popped into my head she just disappeared hold on, Lindsay Lohan pops into my head or different, really talented famous people. like Amy Winehouse where these different things they’ve so talented so incredible, but nobody was there to help guide them through the different phases of becoming famous. And all of a sudden you’re a child and now you’re in a grown-up industry with contracts in business and people trying to take your energy away from you.

Anna: Yeah, yeah exactly. It’s super heavy and it’s so multifaceted as well because this almost this attitude that when you’re given the success, you’re not allowed to kind of complain about it. Because oh so many people would give anything to be in your position so you’re just just just take it kind of vibe, when in fact, what’s any of it worth if you’re absolutely exhausted. If you cannot sleep, if your nervous system is so hi wired, all the time that you’re just anxious all the time, or that you have creative blockages were so many young artists getting into the industry because they just love creating, and when it becomes a job, (because being an artist these days is not about just creating art, it’s about social media, it’s about having a brand and having a business.) And all of those things that aren’t really in the job description as strongly, even 10 years ago. So getting to them early, and prepping them towards it and making them feel supported in the process, because, that’s just not what’s happening right now. And so many artists, managers end up kind of doubling up as mental health professionals, which is obviously not ideal.

Regina:  What types of modalities Will you or are you using with artists that are, really helpful and really effective?

Anna: Yeah, so obviously,  traditional coaching methods, which is just supporting them in whatever it is that they need support with. And it’s not about creating a specific outcome, in my opinion, or in the label’s opinion, or whatever. I just want to create, an hour a week, that’s just for the person, you know, that is just a container where they can feel heard. And otherwise, depending on the person, obviously, you can do some hypnosis work, I’m open to offering that to anyone who works with me, obviously, it’s not like I’m going to make them do that, because it is a bit of a niche kind of thing. And then different meditation exercises, and breathwork also, as well as I’m partnering up with a beautiful company called Neurohacker Collective who make this fantastic nootropic supplement. And something that I also feel so passionately about is that in this kind of high-performance jobs, you know, your CEOs, your actors, sportspeople, all of them have some sort of mindset coaching, or all of them have, some sort of supplementation or something in the health side, but artists don’t really have that. So also shifting the conversation with the artists to understand that their creative muscle, so to speak, is something that can be nurtured with things like nootropics, with things like meditation that really is about Nervous System regulation, but just demystifying some of those things, because that isn’t really happening right now.

Regina:  It’s interesting when I think about it,  you know, you think about an athlete, an athlete is more nourished, because they’re actually physically using body jumping, doing athletic things. Whereas artists, because it’s the creativity, it’s the mind, right? A lot of times I think that that is forgotten. The nourishing of the mind via nutrition via nootropics via meditation is just as important as it is for the athlete.

Anna: Yeah, exactly. And it’s not something that’s kind of fun to have. On the side, optionally, it’s really getting into those flow states and creating situations where dipping into a flow state, easily. It’s which is where you create from, that’s the gold for the artist. And if you’re completely exhausted, wired, tired at the same time, that’s just not going to be optimal for you to even function as an artist.

Regina:  No, their body is the energetic framework of everything that they do. I have this conversation with my clients who are business owners, and they’re eating shit, not working out, not taking care of themselves, and then they’re struggling in business. I’m like, well, your energetic container is not being taken care of. Why do you think business is going to flow? 

Anna: Absolutely. Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s so beautiful.

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Regina Lawrence Esq. is a former trial attorney and law school professor turned soulful business & life strategist. She has found that so many entrepreneurs have these brilliant ideas and dreams but don’t know how to take the dream and create a system or structure to make that dream & idea profitable.  That is where Regina comes in.  With discipline, consistency, systems & structure, we can’t help but create profit & fulfillment from our soul-driven business ideas.

Regina’s approach to coaching marries her background in legal analysis, spirituality, mindset coaching, holistic nutrition, and neuroscience to create an experience that will assist you in getting into alignment, get clear on what you are here to do and what steps and systems to implement to make that dream a profitable reality.

You can find Regina on Instagram @reginaalawrence.